val Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/history-of-science-technology-n09886/lot.41.html 1 1
Desert Rat Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 Hello Val, Thanks for the link...WOW!....would I love to have one of these, but at that price (which are so, so very rare....I can't manage it at all) Best to you....Desert Rat/ Ian
val Posted November 30, 2018 Author Posted November 30, 2018 Little story involving Enigma while you gentlemen head to Sotheby's http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/m4project.htm 1
Major General Waffenamt Posted December 1, 2018 Major General Posted December 1, 2018 Wow!!! Ive a pal who makes scale repro ones 1
val Posted December 1, 2018 Author Posted December 1, 2018 Some war time photos using Enigma. Fourth photo, what's on the table next to Enigma? Battery box? https://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/enigma/photo.htm 1
tornfuté Posted December 3, 2018 Posted December 3, 2018 Hello due to very high price start i guess none of those machines were sold 1
Funksammler Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 A lot not right about this machine, to start with the case looks fake to me. Other late war "bac" machines seem to have been issued in the Luftwaffe style boxes. They also do not feature the rotor cover. Even the serial number plate is not typical of other "bac" machines and probably a fake. The description at least states that the cabling on the interconnection cables are non original, but they stay silent about the more serious inconsistencies. To me it is a very poor restoration. The T1 key must make it worth it though 😉 A lot of surviving enigma's were collected by MI6 and the CIA immediately after the war, refurbished, renumbered and sold to "friendly" governments as state of the art cypher equipment (obviously without telling them that the US and GB could break the cypher routinely; this is one of the reasons why the Bletchley secret remained a secret for so long, the enigma codes were being cracked long after the war). Some of these ex CIA/MI6 machines came on the market 15-20 years ago and have now been re-fitted with faked "original" German tag plates, and I suspect the machine on offer in the auction is one of these. Add to that that due to high prices the faking of complete enigma machines and parts is increasing by the day. Most of these fakes can easily be spotted if you know what to look for, but for the uninitiated it is becoming a bit of a minefield. Completely original enigma will be difficult to find; with original I mean originally numbered, with all five matching numbered wheels etc. Mind you, Enigmas are actually not as rare as you think, there must still be many hundreds out there, they are just overpriced because they have become a millionaire's plaything. 3
Desert Rat Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) To All you radio experts out there....Val, Funks, Whsammler, Alperator, Fritze, Tornfute, etc I send my Best Wishes for a Safe & Peaceful 2019, and thank you all for your great knowledge you have shared with us on MCN over the last few months! Many Thanks to You All. Desert Rat / Ian Edited December 31, 2018 by Desert Rat correction to text 1
val Posted June 29, 2019 Author Posted June 29, 2019 Another...this one has battery still inside. https://natedsanders.com/Enigma_Machine_Used_by_Germany_During_World_War_II-LOT54590.aspx 1
Funksammler Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, val said: Another...this one has battery still inside. https://natedsanders.com/Enigma_Machine_Used_by_Germany_During_World_War_II-LOT54590.aspx This one was on Ebay.com for 250.000.... I have seen quite a lot of "myth building" around Enigma prices recently. Untouched machines are indeed rare, most survivors are post war re-issue machines sold by the CIA to "friendly nations" (conveniently forgetting to tell that they were breaking enigma traffic routinely, why do you think Bletchley's story remained classified for so long...) I might be wrong, but I have my suspicions that the machine offered is one of these re-issued machines, re-worked again to look more original. The tag plate does not look like an original Ertel Werke plate. I am also not so sure about the hybrid bakelite/metal rotors. In any case the price is pure fantasy, deliberate hiked to try create a new "normal".... regards, Funksammler 1 1
val Posted June 29, 2019 Author Posted June 29, 2019 @Funksammler - do you have any close up image of standard 3 wheel Enigma battery box internals that shows battery contacts?
Funksammler Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, val said: @Funksammler - do you have any close up image of standard 3 wheel Enigma battery box internals that shows battery contacts? 1 1
val Posted June 29, 2019 Author Posted June 29, 2019 Thanks @Funksammler, that "660" Enigma seems to have this battery inside: 1
Funksammler Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, val said: Thanks @Funksammler, that "660" Enigma seems to have this battery inside: Indeed, it was a standard "long life" battery size of the age, used in lamps and equipment like the Enigma and the Sutel40. So it is not a special "enigma" battery.... 1
val Posted June 30, 2019 Author Posted June 30, 2019 17 hours ago, Funksammler said: Indeed, it was a standard "long life" battery size of the age, used in lamps and equipment like the Enigma and the Sutel40. So it is not a special "enigma" battery.... https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/daimon_kasten_batterie_no_263.html Those measures and cell count suggest that there were 6 ordinary "D cells" inside, three in series and then those two sets in parallel.
Norrie Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) Dont think I could ever afford one of those....:) As a wee aside, I did a small display for our local nursing homes open day on Friday.......and one of the residents, is a lovely lady of 100 years old, and is very alert, and chatty... she was very interested in all the helmets and items on show...then proceeds to tell me, she worked at Bletchley Park during WW2, she met Churchill ,Eisenhower AND Monty on a few occasions...THEN goes on to tell me she was "sent" to Russia and Belgium before D Day!!!! I asked if she was a spy, she laughed and said..."I cant tell you"...LOL...what a lady...bet she used one of those machines at her work...:) Edited June 30, 2019 by Norrie 1
val Posted June 30, 2019 Author Posted June 30, 2019 @Norrie - you should go back there, visit her more, get her some chocolate and i'm sure she has lot of interesting stories to tell you. 2
ezesar Posted September 29, 2019 Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Hi gentlemen. Some info about enigma machines employed in Spain that could be of interest for us. This study was elaborated by three authors: José Ramón Soler Fuensanta, Francisco Javier López-Brea Espiau and Frode Weierud. K 208 machine is now displayed in my unit historical hall. I would like to test it. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220615600_Spanish_Enigma_A_History_of_the_Enigma_in_Spain. Enjoy it. Ezesar Edited September 29, 2019 by ezesar wrong serial number machine. Correct one is K208 2
val Posted September 29, 2019 Author Posted September 29, 2019 @ezesar- the discovery of those Enigmas is also interesting. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17486464 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/03/rare_spanish_en.html Read from there Arturo Quirantes comments.
ezesar Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 Hi. Found today this video made by University of Burgos with Burgos Military Museum. A very interesting animation showing how the A and K series Enigma (commercial) ciphering machine works. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnsTHAH5yAE Sadly only in Spanish, subtitles included. Regards. 1
val Posted October 11, 2019 Author Posted October 11, 2019 Enigma database. http://enigmamuseum.com/dhlist.xls
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